[KRAFTWERK] RE: KRAFTWERK Digest, Vol 22, Issue 27dancing

David Pike davidapike123 at hotmail.com
Thu Jun 9 12:48:49 CEST 2005


hi sit down at kraftwerk?god you must be knackered ive been dancing to the 
boys since 71 live since75 and im still going strong some idiot told me to 
sit down at brixton there a f**king dance band

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>To: kraftwerk at activerecord.com
>Subject: KRAFTWERK Digest, Vol 22, Issue 27
>Date: Wed,  8 Jun 2005 22:10:59 +0200 (CEST)
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>    1. Re: MTV2 Tonight (Der Automat)
>    2. Re: Min Max - no more bootlegs required? (Arnaud)
>    3. Re: Min Max - no more bootlegs required? (aj)
>    4. RE: Re: Chicago... (Mark Reed)
>    5. Re: Chicago... (Leonard R. Cleavelin)
>    6. Re: Re: Chicago... (Krzysiek)
>    7. DVD songs (Priscila Morsoletto)
>    8. RE: Re: Chicago... (schweinedemo89 at hotmail.com)
>    9. RE: Re: Chicago... (Mark Reed)
>   10. Re: Chicago... (Mark Reed)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:15:21 +0200
>From: "Der Automat" <automat at offcampus.net>
>Subject: Re: [KRAFTWERK] MTV2 Tonight
>To: "Kraftwerk Antenna Mailing List" <kraftwerk at activerecord.com>
>Cc: gadgetman <gadget.man2000 at btinternet.com>
>Message-ID: <00ed01c56c4a$35125220$8bcb3bd4 at y5m9j9>
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>Is anybody here willing to trade a copy of this TV recording for an item of
>Kraftwerk (or another artist) of me?
>If so, email me privately, please.
>Thanks in advance.
>
>DER AUTOMAT
>
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>
>Message: 2
>Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 19:06:21 +0200
>From: Arnaud <xcopy at club-internet.fr>
>Subject: Re: [KRAFTWERK] Min Max - no more bootlegs required?
>To: bcass <bcass01 at hotmail.com>, kraftwerk at activerecord.com
>Message-ID: <ob9ea1l3fplqgmoggi33dh5f2o0p65gpjv at 4ax.com>
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>Where have you found these recent shows?
>
>Thanks.
>
>
>On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:44:07 +0100, you wrote:
>
> >> If ever there was a live release that put paid to bootleg copies of
> >> concerts, then this is it. I don't need to hear anything else now!
> >
> >I disagree.  I will continue to download the live recordings.  I have the
> >Detroit and the New York shows from a few days ago, and things are 
>already
> >changing in the versions they play (for example, I think the Pocket
> >Calculator sounds a lot more 'funky' in these new shows than it does on
> >Minimum Maximum).  Minimum Maximum is a great record, but it doesn't 
>remove
> >the charm and interest factor from the various changes from concert to
> >concert.  Also, although the sound quality is undeniably superior on the
> >Kraftwerk discs, some of the better bootleg recordings aren't a million
> >miles away.  A far cry from the early days of Kraftwerk bootlegs.
>
>----------
>Arnaud de Bonald - http://bonald.org
>
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>
>Message: 3
>Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 18:12:27 +0100
>From: aj <ajmal.m at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [KRAFTWERK] Min Max - no more bootlegs required?
>To: kraftwerk at activerecord.com
>Message-ID: <ee01df3f05060810123a05cfb0 at mail.gmail.com>
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>a whole load are indexed at www.torrentspy.com  and at 
>www.torrentsearch.com
>
>just search on "Kraftwerk" and you'll see...
>
>:)
>
>On 08/06/05, Arnaud <xcopy at club-internet.fr> wrote:
> > Where have you found these recent shows?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:44:07 +0100, you wrote:
> >
> > >> If ever there was a live release that put paid to bootleg copies of
> > >> concerts, then this is it. I don't need to hear anything else now!
> > >
> > >I disagree.  I will continue to download the live recordings.  I have 
>the
> > >Detroit and the New York shows from a few days ago, and things are 
>already
> > >changing in the versions they play (for example, I think the Pocket
> > >Calculator sounds a lot more 'funky' in these new shows than it does on
> > >Minimum Maximum).  Minimum Maximum is a great record, but it doesn't 
>remove
> > >the charm and interest factor from the various changes from concert to
> > >concert.  Also, although the sound quality is undeniably superior on 
>the
> > >Kraftwerk discs, some of the better bootleg recordings aren't a million
> > >miles away.  A far cry from the early days of Kraftwerk bootlegs.
> >
> > ----------
> > Arnaud de Bonald - http://bonald.org
> >
>
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>
>Message: 4
>Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 19:23:14 +0100
>From: "Mark Reed" <mr.markreed at virgin.net>
>Subject: RE: [KRAFTWERK] Re: Chicago...
>To: <kraftwerk at activerecord.com>
>Message-ID: <KPEIJEHNIIMCMMGAKAPCCEJNEKAA.mr.markreed at virgin.net>
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> >paying $50 doesn't mean you're entitled to do anything you wanna do.
> >if there's an area for dancing (as the security guard pointed out) and an
>
> >actually, it's the other way around. people who sit down, listen and 
>watch
> >at a kraftwerk concert are likely to be more brain-active than people who
> >dance (no offense intended!).
>
>You're talking rot. People can dance AND think at the same time. When I saw
>KW at the Royal Festival Hall and was one foot from the stage, I wasn't 
>just
>thinking, but feeling at the same time.  It's difficult to not dance at a 
>KW
>show : the rhythms operate at frequencies that make the man move in
>frequency and tandem with the machine.  If you can't or don't dance at a KW
>show, don't pretend its because you're smarter. You're not. You're just
>different. And probably can't dance for toffee.
>
>Selling seated tickets to KW shows is an oddity, because to me, they're one
>band you shouldn't sit down and watch. But then again, if that's what you
>want to do, the view is fantastic. Taught U2 pretty much everything they
>knew about presentation from 1991 onwards.
>
>If you can dance, and you want to, and you're not drunk or a danger, why
>should ANYONE stop you?
>
>M
>
>
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>
>Message: 5
>Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 13:43:56 -0500
>From: "Leonard R. Cleavelin" <leonard at cleavelin.net>
>Subject: Re: [KRAFTWERK] Chicago...
>To: kraftwerk at activerecord.com
>Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050608133035.032b22e0 at pop.cleavelin.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
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>At 09:07 AM 6/8/2005, Nat wrote:
> >I'll post pics once I have them developed; I took a disposable camera in.
> >Wish I'd have known that
> >the Riviera didn't care if you had your camera on a tripod w/flash - one
> >of the very few places
> >I've been that didn't have a no photo policy. My shots are different than
> >Len's - I was on the
> >floor in the middle near the soundboard and have some dead-on center 
>shots.
>
>I did see the security folks escort two people out of the Riviera as I was
>waiting patiently in "the men's line" (my date had already gotten through
>and thankfully was up to the task of climbing up to the mezz to get us some
>seats. Fortunately I lied when I gave the descriptive info; she wasn't on
>crutches Saturday night (OK, it wasn't a lie; she got much better in the
>period between my original post and the concert). Also, we were much
>farther back in line than I'd originally planned, but we ditched our plans
>for the afternoon and indulged in some impromptu and unscheduled fun. I'm
>not complaining). ANYWAY.... when escorting the folks out the security guys
>were saying something about "That's PRO equipment", and they were carrying
>big camera bags. My date had stuck a pretty small digital camera (about the
>size of a disposable) in her purse, and they waved her on through....
>
>If we were younger (let's just say that pushing 50 is all the exercise I
>get anymore, and my date is a few months older than me), we'd have probably
>taken up space on the floor too, but my decrepit old middle aged body isn't
>up to standing on the floor for the 90 minutes between doors opening and 
>the
>
> >I regret that I didn't meet anyone else from the list, but Saturday was 
>my
> >brother's birthday and
> >his graduation from DePaul, so most of the weekend was spent doing stuff
> >he wanted. And yes, he
> >thought KW were awsome.
>
>I regret not seeing you; aren't you the guy who flew in from KC (I'm from
>St. Louis, myself)?  A belated happy birthday and congrats to your brother
>from both my date and me; from me just on general principle, and I know my
>date will send her best because she's another DePaul alum....
>
>Cheers,
>
>Len Cleavelin
>
>
>--
>As performers, however, Kraftwerk falls closer to performance art.
>Listen to the new live album "Minimum-Maximum" while staring at the
>cover and you more or less get the idea of watching four stationary
>men work diligently yet mysteriously at their anonymous machines. But
>to do so would miss the indelible charm of watching Kraftwerk in the
>flesh. The visuals projected behind the band, matched methodically to
>the music, vacillated from charming to psychedelic, stock footage
>colliding with primitive computer-drawn images. The band, while never
>particularly active, was not entirely immobile. It was almost sweet to
>watch these self-consciously cold performers actually bobble in place,
>taken over by the hypnotic rhythms and beguiling melodies of "Trans-
>Europe Express," "Autobahn" or "Pocket Calculator." Founding member
>Ralf Hutter in particular appeared pleased and animated, though fellow
>founder Florian Schneider barely cracked a smile the whole night.
>--Joshua Klein [Chicago _Tribune_ review of Kraftwerk's 6/4 2005 show]
>
>
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>
>Message: 6
>Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 20:49:48 +0200
>From: Krzysiek <krzysiek at recordjunkie.com>
>Subject: Re: [KRAFTWERK] Re: Chicago...
>To: kraftwerk at activerecord.com
>Message-ID: <42A73DCC.1000807 at recordjunkie.com>
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> > If you can't or don't dance at a KW
> > show, don't pretend its because you're smarter. You're not. You're just
> > different. And probably can't dance for toffee.
> > Selling seated tickets to KW shows is an oddity, because to me, they're 
>one
> > band you shouldn't sit down and watch.
>
>Thats your opinion, and you should respect that there are people who
>just want to sit down.
>I was very happy when I found out that the venue I was going to had
>seats. I wanted to sit and enjoy the show, the visuals, the music.
>Seeing Kraftwerk live was something I looked forward to a long, long
>time, and I didn't wanted to miss a single second of the show.
>I can dance to Kraftwerk in a club, or at home, but at the concert I
>just just wanted to sit back and enjoy, stamping my feet :)
>I would be equally annoyed if someone started to dance in front of me,
>making it difficult for me to see the stage, especially when almost all
>venues has a "dancing area".
>
>
>
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>Message: 7
>Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 15:49:47 -0300
>From: "Priscila Morsoletto" <pmorsoletto at softhome.net>
>Subject: [KRAFTWERK] DVD songs
>To: kraftwerk at activerecord.com
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>Message: 8
>Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 20:52:33 +0200
>From: schweinedemo89 at hotmail.com
>Subject: RE: [KRAFTWERK] Re: Chicago...
>To: kraftwerk at activerecord.com
>Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV763DFD8F958FAD1B379A0C5FD0 at phx.gbl>
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>At 19:23 08.06.05 +0100, Mark Reed wrote:
>
> >People can dance AND think at the same time.
>
>I don't recall having said that they couldn't.
>
>
> >When I saw
> >KW at the Royal Festival Hall and was one foot from the stage, I wasn't 
>just
> >thinking, but feeling at the same time.
>
>And when I sat in the seated area, I was thinking and feeling at the same
>time, far from being brain-dead.
>
>
> >It's difficult to not dance at a KW show :
>
>Some people would say: it's difficult not to sit still and listen/watch in 
>awe.
>Maybe we can agree on that being purely subjective.
>
>
> >If you can't or don't dance at a KW
> >show, don't pretend its because you're smarter.
>
>I didn't.
>
>
> >You're not. You're just different.
>
>That's exactly what I wanted to say, no more, no less.
>
>
> >Selling seated tickets to KW shows is an oddity, because to me, they're 
>one
> >band you shouldn't sit down and watch. But then again, if that's what you
> >want to do, the view is fantastic.
>
>Indeed.
>
>
> >If you can dance, and you want to, and you're not drunk or a danger, why
> >should ANYONE stop you?
>
>I didn't say anything against dancing in general.
>But dancing in seated areas is unfair to people who wanna sit and watch
>instead of dancing. And if there's a seated area, and an area without seats
>where you can dance without annoying people, I really don't understand why
>someone would dance in this seated area.
>
>And BTW, I wrote "no offense intended".
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 9
>Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 20:04:02 +0100
>From: "Mark Reed" <mr.markreed at virgin.net>
>Subject: RE: [KRAFTWERK] Re: Chicago...
>To: <kraftwerk at activerecord.com>
>Message-ID: <KPEIJEHNIIMCMMGAKAPCCEJPEKAA.mr.markreed at virgin.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> >Thats your opinion, and you should respect that there are people who
> >just want to sit down.
>
>I do. But then again, I'm not the one saying "if you want to dance at a
>Kraftwerk concert you have less brain activity than those who sit bck and
>watch it, exhibiting all the interest of people in a museum", which may be
>opinion, but is also *absolute rubbish*.
>
>M
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 10
>Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 20:04:18 +0100
>From: "Mark Reed" <mr.markreed at virgin.net>
>Subject: [KRAFTWERK] Re: Chicago...
>To: "Kraftwerk at Activerecord. Com" <kraftwerk at activerecord.com>
>Message-ID: <KPEIJEHNIIMCMMGAKAPCEEJPEKAA.mr.markreed at virgin.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"
>
> >schweinedemo89 at hotmail.com
> >"actually, it's the other way around. people who sit down, listen and 
>watch
> >at a kraftwerk concert are likely to be more brain-active than people who
> >dance (no offense intended!)."
>
>No offense intended sure. But that's a pretty damn offensive statement.
>What makes you think that? With all that brain activity, I'm sure you can
>justify yourself and logically persuade me I'm wrong if I'm clever enough 
>to
>understand your argument -  I'm a dancer!
>
>M
>
>
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